Check out the latest episode of our sisterpodcast, Getting Personal with Plant Medicine.
Our sister podcast, also hosted by Diana, is called Getting Personal with Plant Medicine, and it's a collaboration between Mitragaia and Your Highness Media. This show takes on the personal side of all types of plant medicine.
Skip Stone of Stashlogix, a safe storage company, discusses the challenges of traveling with plant medicine with kids. He gives some background on how traveling safely with a stash requires more than proper storage.
In the last segment, travel writer Vee Castillo gives great tips for traveling safely with plant medicine.
Unknown Speaker 0:24
Welcome to Getting Personal With plant medicine. I'm your host, Diana crash. And today I am joined by skip stone of stash logics, which is my favorite storage company. But that doesn't even sound right to say storage company. So skip first of all, how are you doing?
Unknown Speaker 0:48
Thanks for asking. I think storage product is very applicable. That's
Unknown Speaker 0:55
it. It's an apt description. But you're I think you have something more like intentional, right? Like it's, it's it's mindful. It's intentional. It's responsible. Storage ing storage ing. Is that a word? I don't think
Unknown Speaker 1:15
I'll use it from now. I like it. I think it's shorter. To the point. It's gorging. Yeah, yeah, we're doing all of those things. There is a lot of intention to what we're doing. And there's a lot of reasons that that's, there's that's a good thing. So yeah, I'd love to get into that with you. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:39
Absolutely. I mean, like I just said, I love this line that you have. It's, they're gorgeous pieces. They're sturdy. And they are. What are they? They're safe. I'm trying to say secure another word to keep it from the kids there. You can keep your plant medicine away from the kids a lot easier with the stash logics line. And you began this line for a personal reason. Do you want to talk about that a little bit?
Unknown Speaker 2:11
Yeah, for sure. That's the reason stash Lodge is here is because I've always loved cannabis edibles. When Colorado legalized, it became not me making cookies anymore, but getting gummy bears that were precisely dosed. And it's just kind of an epiphany that everybody is going to be able to figure out how to use edibles. And how, what a great thing they are. But I also knew that cannabis is always going to come in forms of candy and cookies and brownies and things, whether you make it at home, which is really easy to do, or you buy them off the shelf, which is even easier. So I was concerned because I had two young kids. And I didn't want them getting into this stuff. And I just felt like there's a big opportunity here to kind of tackle a problem that optically looks really bad for the industry, in addition to my own needs, and so yeah, I kind of scratched my own needs, trying to figure out how to like deal with cannabis primarily from the edible angle. But there was a lot of other aspects that came into design and thought process of getting this company off the ground.
Unknown Speaker 3:27
Right, you have a lot of products that are designed for travel. Right. So like what how did that incorporate into the design products? You know, talk about the formulation a little bit.
Unknown Speaker 3:40
Well, so I don't know if you've seen me probably have the news articles lately. Forbes, CNN, NPR, a bunch of people have been talking about some major escalation of cannabis poisoning by young kids, primarily two or three years old. Have you seen that? Just last week?
Unknown Speaker 4:02
I've written about it.
Unknown Speaker 4:03
Oh, you have okay. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, it was a problem right when Colorado legalized it's becoming a bigger problem but it continues to be a black eye on our industry and and rightly so these are mostly two to three year olds that are unwittingly you know, consuming edibles far more than their you know, their little body can handle and it's putting them in the hospital and those are the things I did was afraid of, I don't want my kids to get edibles and then fall down the stairs or, you know, who knows what they would do being disoriented and probably scared and confused and just something you don't want any. I personally don't want to go through that. Everybody's had too many edibles before is not fun. So so my The concept was to how do you deal with cannabis in your life? And how do you protect yourself and others as you move around in your life with cannabis. And so primarily our stuff is geared towards personal use small use cases, pocket size stuff, Fanny packs, sling bags, storage, home storage cases, something you keep in your car or something you keep in your purse like, but the overwhelming theme on most of our stuff is that they all have built in locks on them. So in order to make things actually childproof. Some of the industries, I guess their requirements are that you put it into childproof packaging. But once you get that home, those that packaging is so cumbersome, people don't tend to keep it in that packaging, because it's not user friendly. And if it's not user friendly, the no user is going to use it. So. So I believe we have a product that is super functional. And and we're not the only ones doing it, we've definitely kind of led the way in a lot of it. But we've got a lot of people that are doing similar things now. And it's all about how do you make things functionally usable and convenient. And to the point that you actually use the lock. And I feel like we've done that. I know, I use the lock all the time. And my kids are older now. So I lock it for different reasons. But I've just gotten in the habit of locking. And I just think it's the right thing to do. And just it actually, for me, it's kind of fun to click the zipper levers into the lock and then not have to worry about anything.
Unknown Speaker 6:41
Yeah. And also, like, we talked about the travel component a little bit, but I think that your bags are specifically designed for travel because I don't climb the mountains like you do. But I did take a stash logics bag with me on my latest trip to the beach. And it came while it was so helpful, because my child is at the age now where he just routes into, like my bags, my purse, whatever he thinks is my purse, because he thinks he's looking for a snack or something to entertain him. So Oh, and you're traveling and you're all in like a smaller, you no quarters, right and you have everything out, you know, it really helps to have something that is double locked. And it contains all of my plant medicine because I put everything in there, but not everything. But you know, everything I don't want him to get his hands on. And it worked. And it's the sturdiness because you can put it in your luggage and not worry about it, you know becoming dinged or any kind of odor because it's odor proof too, which is what I love. And so speaking to that a little bit more, what were some of the main components that you really wanted to incorporate in the design?
Unknown Speaker 8:06
Yeah, I mean that you've kind of nailed that. It's got a built in lock, so that it's easy for you to lock in it. It's convenient. I feel like if you have an external lock that you have to add on to something, it's just not going to be used. But then the other big issue to tackle is the odors. No, nobody. Nobody wants to be the Stoner, there's just derogatory term, just people don't want to be judged for doing nothing else other than just being themselves. So trying to keep the odors down is a big issue. There's a stigma around cannabis for 80 years, and it's not going away. And and that was one thing that I really needed to tackle was how do I go visit my parents go visit in laws, drive around, whatever it is, and not have like kids noticing it or neighbors or whoever I just didn't want and wanted to keep my private life private. And so that was a big thing to tackle. And it is a challenging thing. It's cannabis odors are so strong is very hard to tackle out, especially when you start talking about a joint that's half smoked and other things, you know, it just it breaks you get into a hot car and that's all you can smell. And it's you know, not only is that potentially going to get you in a lot of trouble. Just a bad image. So, so just trying to tackle how do I be a responsible person, I am a professional, you know, graduated engineering degree. But I also love cannabis, but I didn't feel like that was fair stigma that I'm some lazy, irresponsible person because I like Canvas. So I'd felt like you know, I got a we got to tackle that. So and then beyond that just along the responsibility side of things. How do you organize all this? stuff, you got tons of pieces in park, tons of strains? How do you keep that in your life without it being everywhere and getting in trouble and getting your kids sick or getting? You know, hassled? So there's just a lot of challenges that are kind of new, you know, historically, people stored weed in a baggie, and carried a pipe in your pocket. And there's other ways to do things now. And people are realizing that it's, you know, it's, there's, it's a great cannabis is great plant for many reasons. But, you know, you know, it's powerful, it's strong, it's not for everybody, and you got to treat it with responsibility. So that was a lot of the concept of going designing my products was our products was, how do you just tackle these challenges and in a responsible way, so I feel like that's becoming more and more of a concern, particularly with these study that was just done beginning of this year, or they just put out so it's kind of timely to be having this conversation,
Unknown Speaker 11:07
right. I actually just did a lot of research about this for an article. And, you know, there are a lot of reports and even if some of it is cherry picked data, quote, unquote. The fact is that in some states, like Vermont's, the usage of teenagers, or cannabis use among teenagers is a lot higher, it's higher than it's ever been. So if you want to keep your plant medicine away from your children, it also helps to have a lot of discussion about the reasons around that. So I know your children are a little bit older. How do you approach that discussion?
Unknown Speaker 11:54
Yeah, so when I started the company, my kids were like, what are their they're now 17, and 14, almost 15. It was. So they're about 10 and eight when I started the company. So now it's kind of different reasons. Now they're in high school, and I want to keep them out of my cannabis. So far. I think they're, they're good kids. And I don't think they're getting into it. But you know, I dabbled in it in high school and younger. And, you know, it's always going to be around the high school age, kids. But what I tell my kids is that there's a time and a place for this. And when you're young, you're developing your frontal cortex. And this affects your judgment and reason. And that could affect you, if you are using it at an early age, it's, you're possibly going to have some long lasting effects, you're better off waiting to your 21. And so far, they seem to be taking that to heart. So but I'm just being honest with them. I'm you know, I don't say that it's a horrible thing to do. I don't say that I don't do it. They know that I do. I don't do it in front of home, I tried to be responsible consumer, I do drink in front of them. So it is that challenging thing, but there's a stigma of with one and there's just the act of smoking alone isn't really a great message to put out there. And I makes me feel weird. So I just don't do it. I don't care that other people do it. I totally get that it's a hypocritical thing. I don't drink in front of them. But I, you know, I'm trying to promote responsibility, and I don't smoke in front of them. But that's just how I've approached it. But I know many people feel very differently.
Unknown Speaker 13:31
Yes, there are a lot of varying opinions around this. That is for sure. I'm seeing a growing opinion of people who were okay with consuming not just in front of their children, but with them. So there's definitely a lot of conversations going on.
Unknown Speaker 13:54
I mean, right. I've heard of friends growing up that their parents smoked and that I don't think with them, and I don't think that's totally a new concept. I think that's it's a judgment call and right. Yeah, so How old are you? How old is your,
Unknown Speaker 14:09
your kids? Four? So yes, I don't even know how to like I've really genuinely asked because of curiosity, because I don't even know how to start the conversation. I have books, you know, and I tried to talk to him about plants as much as possible, but then I also don't want to lie to him. So I know that if he asks me, you know, when did I start using cannabis? Well,
Unknown Speaker 14:37
yes, right. So they my kids, I've been open with my kids, but I don't give them information that they don't ask about and so are they asked me that many questions so so I don't tell them that you know about my cannabis use very detailed and they don't ask detailed questions. So I think they seem maybe they're uncomfortable. The topic in general, I don't really know. But they're so far they, it's not been an issue, it's been pretty easy to talk to him about. I just, I'm straightforward about the fact but I don't really talk about my personal use with them. And they haven't asked,
Unknown Speaker 15:15
and okay. You also probably in an area that's a little bit more forward thinking about the plant, maybe so. I think that plays into it as well, though, like, where you live? Because, you know, I know right now in Maryland, yes, it's about to become adult use. So it might change. But right now, from what I see, it's, it's not a very accepted, you know, practice.
Unknown Speaker 15:49
But Maryland did go recreational, so that's changing imminently, right.
Unknown Speaker 15:55
Yeah. So hopefully, you know, by the time he gets older, it'll be a little different, you know, or we'll be somewhere else. That's a little. But I do think that plays into it as well. Because if you don't have the support from teachers and doctors and things like that, I think it doesn't really help the conversation as Oh, yeah.
Unknown Speaker 16:15
I I think that we're very fortunate in Colorado that we've been out in front of this for a long time. And, and I think I feel like Colorado has been pretty responsible about it all along. You don't see people openly smoking weed all over the place. I mean, it's I guess probably late at night, you might downtown Denver or something, but in general people still kind of keep it to themselves a bit. So it's an I don't know if it's because they're, we were the first to legalize it that they felt Colorado and felt some sort of responsibility. Or oral that's just the way cannabis consumers have always been that they've always been a little bit uneasy about doing it out in the open and feeling like off to the side is a little bit more comfortable. So I don't know, but it's, I'm sure Maryland is going to change significantly. And my kids be just driving around in the car with us see dispensaries everywhere they look so they're, you know, in Colorado, they're they're so open about them. They're they're on the main streets there. They're right in the downtown area. They're not off some side street tucked away somewhere so nobody can see it. There. Seem to be advertising more. Yeah. Yeah. So they don't I don't think they have that. They're not alarmed about the seeing it. Right. It's not illicit. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 17:38
I think that plays into it. It's really illicit, you know, then they can't, then and as they get older, they'll be more curious about it. You know,
Unknown Speaker 17:47
so yeah, but it's interesting to see what's that the cases are increasing. And it's, you know, it's, it's a concern and, you know, it's not the tip of critical to say cannabis is a huge problem. But we have plenty of problems in this industry already. We don't need getting two and three year olds critically, Ill to be one of them. There are like our products, ways to incorporate cannabis in your life and do it without hurting the industry even further and without her, your kids and all all the issues.
Unknown Speaker 18:21
Absolutely. So outside of mindful storage. One of the best ways to proceed with caution when sourcing plant medicine is to purchase from a trusted vendor. And for me, that means buying from a supplier that supports the kratom Consumer Protection Act has a lot of favorable reviews and is transparent about testing. And for me, that supplier is Mitra Gaya, the brand behind the show, I work with them because I've been a customer for years and they provide the best quality kratom I've ever had. And I put that kratom in my stash luxuriates bag when I go on a trip because that is also something I want to keep away from my child. So anyway, before we go today, skip where can people find stash logics and how can they support you? Well,
Unknown Speaker 19:16
we do really well in dispensaries around the country. So a lot of dispensaries particularly in the East Coast and South Maryland included we sell a lot in dispensaries because I think it's the it's the right place to sell it. It's the time to be talking about it it's the bud tenders have an opportunity to to get out in front of these gummy bear issues these the dispensaries in general they have a lot to be gained by promoting safe and responsible storage for their family members and community members just for further people driving around and just don't want to get a DUI because if you have a dirty pipe in the car, all these messages Are what dispensaries really do benefit from this because they, they benefit the most from legalization happening. So it's good for them to get out in front of it, which is a lot of why they carry our products. But in addition, there's so many marketing restrictions in the cannabis industry that it's really hard to get our name out there through the normal media channels through normal normal advertising, whether it's you know, radio or TV or even just Facebook and Instagram, there's so it's, it's hard to get a message that is about safety and responsibility out there. Even for a company like ours, because it's related to cannabis. So it's so it's not allowed. So that's so finding us can be done online, but it's we just don't have the presence that you would find in a seeing somebody like Jansport or Columbia or was the new brand felt fall Raven backpacks, you know, things like that. And that's more fashion related stuff. But anyway, so we had
Unknown Speaker 21:05
Sorry, I've never heard of that brand before. It was like, Oh, they're
Unknown Speaker 21:08
they're they're a big kid backpack. You see a lot of kids nowadays for going to school. That's the new Jansport backpack is called for and I'm just anyway, so yeah, finding us we have our own website. It has dash logics.com. Logic says with an X at the end, not a CES. But so you can find us there or in a lot of the dispensaries around the country, particularly on the eastern South. So thank you so much for joining us today. Skip. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 21:42
Thank you for what you're doing.
Unknown Speaker 21:44
Yeah, for sure. And also, thank you for having me on talking about it. I do think it's an important thing. And yeah, it's exciting to see other plant medicines being used in this country. And I think there's value in storing the kratom and other mushrooms are becoming a bigger thing. There's all sorts of reasons why just taking responsibility. Totally self regulating is better than having the government force you to do things. So
Unknown Speaker 22:12
that is so true. Yes, absolutely. I agree. Thank you again.
Unknown Speaker 22:18
Yeah. Thank you, Dana. And have a great weekend. And, again, appreciate the opportunity.
Unknown Speaker 22:25
And now we'll be getting into some travel tips, specifically how to travel with your plant medicine. And I've thought of none other than V. Castillo for this particular segment, because she is a travel expert, but she is also an expert with traveling with plant medicine. How are you doing today? V.
Unknown Speaker 22:48
Good, thanks. How are you?
Unknown Speaker 22:49
Hi, you're good. We just talked about how tired we are. So anyway, you travel all the time. That is like kind of your kind of your thing, right. But you're known as the traveling cannabis writer, although you do explore other types of plant medicine as well. So you're very familiar with being in areas that are not so safe for plant medicine use. So do you have any tips as far as that's concerned for the audience?
Unknown Speaker 23:24
Yes. So I always put my plasmids in something like a stash box. And then I put it in the trunk, and I lock it up and travel safely. I don't consume in the car while I'm traveling. And I don't do anything that draws attention to the fact that I may have planets in the car. When I travel by flight, I go with the safe and fully legal stuff. I know that there's some airports where th TSA has mentioned that they will allow but cannabis, for instance, I just don't like to, I don't trust it as a woman of color. I just want to travel safely. So I will absolutely travel with my very good and potent CBD from my sponsors, but it's CBD. So it's fully legal and so fully safe.
Unknown Speaker 24:21
Well, do you have any tips for people who are traveling somewhere that might they might not know the legal status, like say they have kratom which is not legal in every state and they're flying or you know, cannabis? So people still want to risk it, you know, right.
Unknown Speaker 24:40
So yeah, for things like for things outside of cannabis for sure. I mean, so legality with our plant meds, period, it's kind of all over the place in the country, be it you know, like Oregon is legal, but a place like Oakland is just decriminalized. And so I would look at the law first. Um, but I also get right like, when your medicine is plants, whether it's legal or not, you're always going to make sure that you have it with you pack it under, lock it up, treat it like cannabis, because like you said, not all plant meds are legal everywhere. So I would treat them really all the same and go the safest route. And also don't do things that'll bring attention to the fact that you may have plant medicines, right?
Unknown Speaker 25:26
Absolutely. I mean, I think that, especially with kratom, it's really important to try to find a store that is local to wherever you're traveling, that might sell it, but then you don't really know if you can trust that brand. So I always just try to bring,
Unknown Speaker 25:43
that's why I always recommend right bringing, like, if you have to do it definitely, with what is familiar to you with what your body is used to, and what's good and safe. Because there's, there's always like the funny stuff and you don't I mean, you just don't you can't you just simply can't trust all products. And so yeah, even if you find a store, do everything in advance, find that store in advance, search their products and advanced take a look at the company's absolutely everything in advance as much as possible all the
Unknown Speaker 26:20
time, he came to that for a minute, you travel to a lot of places that allow you to consume, like on the premise, right? So what do you do when you're traveling somewhere that is adult use, but they don't allow you to use it wherever you're staying.
Unknown Speaker 26:37
Um, it sucks. I haven't, I haven't had a situation where it's not allowed on the premises. But I do know plenty of people who, oh, it's so uncomfortable. Like in places like Denver, which surprises a lot of people. There are hotels that do not want cannabis consumed, like even in their parking lots. So people have to go to places like parks, I don't recommend looking at places like that period, I'm always gonna support researching in advance, because as a consumer of plant meds, we already have to go outside and around the corner, so to speak. So to have to leave the premises of a place where I'm paying my cash money to stay, and I can't go to the park. It's absolutely unacceptable. So I always recommend don't give your money to those places, if you can absolutely help it. But there is no other way around it then finding like a place which I mean, public consumption in so many states is not allowed. So it's just yeah, it's it's always a risk. I say just don't give those places your money research in advance and look at at cannabis friendly places. Sure, you'll have to go outside but at least go into the parking lot or you know, going in your car and lay in the seat back in the parking lot and smoking your you know, your smokeable shouldn't be absolutely acceptable. And if a place doesn't allow that they just shouldn't have your money,
Unknown Speaker 28:03
right? I mean, there are so many ways to disguise the smell now. You could bring one of those like smoothies out with you or they can abolish spray.
Unknown Speaker 28:13
But let me tell you this, I've been really surprised because I will like I will absolutely admit that sometimes. I'm not going outside, like if it's cold. If it's pouring down rain. If it's superduper hot and there's no covered smoke area, I might pull the move in the bathroom. And I don't know, maybe what I consume is really potent. But yeah, even with something like ozium I don't it's not really masking that as much as it used to. So I just be careful. Yeah, because a lot of us like our noses we consume so much. I don't know. We can't smell it. But those people that don't consume it. Oh, there's smell. Yes, that
Unknown Speaker 28:56
seems to be the biggest concern. You know, as far as travel, I feel like when you're staying at these places, they don't want the smell.
Unknown Speaker 29:05
Yep. Yeah. And which for some people it's cool because some people can vape some people consume edibles. smokers will always have it the hardest and we still battle that especially at Hotel and certain Airbnb. Yeah, definitely
Unknown Speaker 29:22
use the bathroom. So do you have any other tips for people with when they're traveling with plant medicine?
Unknown Speaker 29:31
Um, um, it's, I'm always safety first and just like I love cannabis, right. And I travel a lot by flight. And even though I make so I may have CBD, I might have delta eight. With the laws with the DEA going back and forth on what's legal what's not what's this? What's that? It's always a risk. So I don't do things like where you know, a bunch of like, key Like, there's no cannabis on my person, right? Like I don't have on Weebly, like, you know, just kind of be as low key as possible. I'm not saying like, hide yourself and like be someone different. But low key is always the best way because we have to think safety first, especially people of color.
Unknown Speaker 30:16
Yes, you might have to take a tolerance break during your trip. Even if you don't
Unknown Speaker 30:21
Yeah, absolutely. No, I call those my tolerance for you people like do you ever take them? Like, yeah, like every month? You know, I might be at an airport all day. And it's just what it is. I can't I can't smoke. And yeah, so I promise it'll be okay. I think I just always want to advocate for safety first, because I don't want there to be a time where they're using one of us as an example for something stupid.
Unknown Speaker 30:46
Exactly. I couldn't like a stupid agenda.
Unknown Speaker 30:48
Like locking people away for plant man is crazy.
Unknown Speaker 30:54
Yes, exactly. So where can people find you?
Unknown Speaker 30:59
I am on all social media except Tik Tok, but that is changing soon. Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, and Twitter. If you do a search for traveling cannabis writer, you will find all of my pages. Instagram keeps shutting me down. Which is why I always tell people to just search the hashtag so you can find whatever page I'm operating from at the time.
Unknown Speaker 31:25
And your blog, and then
Unknown Speaker 31:27
my website, my blog and my website, the traveling veg Canada writer.com. And and then really, Google traveling cannabis, right. And if you guys just Google traveling cannabis writer, that will link you to all of my work, because if I go into listing publications will be here for a second. So just Yeah, search traveling cannabis writer everywhere and I promise you guys will find me.
Unknown Speaker 31:56
And also if you tune into your highness podcast, which is our sister podcast, you will find that we have a recurring travel segment called where in the world is v. So you'll find out more,
Unknown Speaker 32:09
which is so amazing. Because Reading is Fundamental Right? But I understand we're all so busy. And we're all juggling so many things. And so the travel segment on Your Highness podcast is a really good way to tap into what I've done over the last month, you know, kind of like when you ask Alexa Alexa to play the news and she gives you like a 15 minute rundown. That is what this tribal segment is all about. So yeah, tap into there too. For those that don't like, Oh,
Unknown Speaker 32:39
hey, look, I love to read I love reading is my life. But it's, I have become very much an audio listener. I never thought I'd say this. But you know, that's what I'm doing now. It's like how my brain can absorb the information and especially because I'm usually cleaning and doing other things. And like, it's just a godsend for somebody who needs to multitask all the time.
Unknown Speaker 33:07
Absolutely. And so I'm grateful for the collaboration for sure, because I was missing that link. And so we haven't now and so yep, catch me in Word catch DOM telling you all what I'm up to. And there's some good stuff coming guys. So yeah, definitely tap in.
Unknown Speaker 33:23
Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge today.
Unknown Speaker 33:26
My pleasure. Thanks for having me.
Unknown Speaker 33:29
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